Glede manufakturnih oz. hišnih mehanizmov bi bilo dobro odpret kakšno temo.
Je pa Longines danes skoraj malo podcenjena firma.

Levjul napisal: Glede manufakturnih oz. hišnih mehanizmov bi bilo dobro odpret kakšno temo.
Je pa Longines danes skoraj malo podcenjena firma.

Se popolnoma strinjam. Saj je eden izmed 12 proizvajalcev, ki jim je uspešno uspelo narediti visokofrekvenčni mehanizem in to v poznih 60ih...

Zanimivo zakaj ne obudijo proizvodnje. Razvoj, ki je težji del procesa pomoje, je namreč že za njimi...

S tem bi si močno dvignili ugled. Pa tudi prihodke navsezadnje...

Servisiranje in ostalo pa je lažje v primeru "hišnih" eta mehanizmov.
Tudi rezervni kosi bodo za te mehanizme dolgo dobavljivi.

katerih je pa ostalih 11?

Emve napisal: katerih je pa ostalih 11?

To sem ravno pred kratkim nekje bral, ko sem se zanimal za kaliber 431 od Longinesa(ki prav tako šteje med njih).
Drugi so:
Girard Perregaux,Zenith, Seiko, Movado, FavreLeuba, Eberhard, Eterna, A.Schild, Zodiac, Citizen,Felca in Longines.To govorimo o mehanizmih s 36000BpH.
Sicer pa, ko smo pod že temo 'manufakturni mehanizmi'se mi zdi najbolj dostopno kupiti kakšno 'Vintage' urco.

Celo kakega Vintage VC-ja bi dobil za normalen denar.

Ulysse Nardin, Zodiac pa še katera firma bi se našla v razredu 36.000.
Chopard L.U.C 8HF ima kar 57.600 bph
www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-on-with-the-...cosc-certified-watch
TAG Heuer Calibre 360 Concept Chronograph / kronografski del ima 360.000bph.

V 60 letih so urarske firme naredili več mehanizmov z višjo frekvenco. Vendar so se mnoge vrnile na standartno frekvenco 28.800a/h. Teoretično naj bi bile ure z višjo frekvenco manj občutljive na spremembo položaja in tudi bolj natančne. Vendar velike urarske firme še zmeraj izdelujejo mehanizme s frekvenco 18.000, 19.800 Vacheron Constantin 21.600 Piget, Patek Philipe, Panerai, Montblanc, Jaeger leCoultre, ALange-Sohne, Audemars Piquet...
Kljub temu nihče ne dvomi v vrhunskost in natančnost teh mehanizmov.
Če bi bili 36.000 mehanizmi v resnici boljši, ne bi Rolex pri Daytoni zmanjšal frekvenco zenithovega EL Primera na 28.800a/h temveč bi jo pustil na 36.000.
Rolex bi lahko, po mojem, v tednu dni naredil mehanizem s f 36.000 ali pa mogoče še hitreje. Vendar nima potrebe – dobri mehanizmi so dobri ne glede na frekvenco.
Osebno imam rajši mehanizem z nižjo frekvenco.

ali ni 8Hz frekvenca enaka 28.800bph?

Neki v angleščini, ko se mi ni dal prevajat, ampak sej se da dost razbrat...

1. The first effort to succeed was Girard Perregaux's effort which brought watches with 36kbph movemetns to market in 1996. A "joint effort" between Eberhard, Favre Leuba, Girard Perregaux and Zodiac purportedly contributed to the devleopment of these watches, or alternatively the automatic winding mechanism of these watches. The movements each manufacturer ultimately came entered the market with were different enough for parts to not interchange between them, so it very unlikely that any of the movements from these watch companies was the product of joint development. This means the first effort really produced 4 distinct movements, and the degree to which there was"joint development" is questionable. Girard Perregaux was not only the first, but was also unique in producing both manual and automatic high frequency movements.

2. In 1967 the Longines (cal. 430) "Ultra-Chron" movement appeared.

3. In 1968 Seiko (cal. 6145) movement introduced, Favre Leuba introduces cal. FL 1164 (day/date/automatic) based watches, Zodiac introduces cal. 88 (date/automatic) and 86 (day/date/automatic) watches, Movado introduces cal. 405 (day/date/automatice) and cal. 408 (date/automatic) watches.

4. In 1969 the Eterna (cal. 2732) movement introduce

5. In 1969 the Zenith (cal. 3019) "El Primero" was introduced. It was the first automatic chronograph with an integrated winding mechanism to be produced, and thusly is claimed to be the first automatic chronograph movement ever produced. In 1969, Movado, Zenith and Mondia merged into the MZM Group and Zenith announced the developement of the "first integrated automatic chronograph", hence El Primero (the first in Spanish), in January of 1969.

6. In 1969 Movado intrioduced the 405 (day/date/) and 408 (date) watches in their Kingmatic watches.

7. In 1970 A. Schild (cal. 1920) was introduced.

8. It is not clear when the Felca (cal. 4177) movement was introduced, but it was likely introduced in the 70s. This is one of the few manual hi beat wristwatch movements ever produced.

9. In 1975 the Citizen (cal. 7230) movement was introduced.

In the end, then 12 different watchmakers produced watches with high frequency movements of their own design and production: Eberhard, Favre Leuba, Girard Perregaux, Zodiac, Longines, Seiko, Eterna, Movado, Zenith, A. Schild, Felca and lastly Citizen.

While most of the movements developed were automatic movements, three of the manufacturers also made manual movement hi beat watches. Longines, Seiko and Felca all produced manual 36000 VPH movements. Low demand for manual wind watches, in the face of set and forget quartz watches, probably make these the rarest types of high frequency movement watches.

Watchmakers who produced watches using 36,000 vph movements are harder to track, due the number of watchmakers who made such watches, and the failure of a significant number of these watchmakers during this period. In some cases watchmakers outright failed, disappeared or shrunk to mere shadows of their former prominence, and in other cases, watchmakers failed and their names/brands were bought up by other companies, mostly the Swatch Group, principally for marketing purposes.

Vir: www.watchfreeks.com/33-general-watch-dis...0-bph-movements.html